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	<title>Comments on: Speaking out in Switzerland: A &#8220;foreign&#8221; concept</title>
	<link>http://www.rashundatramble.com/2007/09/08/speaking-out-in-switzerland-a-foreign-concept/</link>
	<description>A soul sister in Switzerland</description>
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		<title>By: Derna</title>
		<link>http://www.rashundatramble.com/2007/09/08/speaking-out-in-switzerland-a-foreign-concept/#comment-224703</link>
		<dc:creator>Derna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So do I.</description>
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		<title>By: Rashunda</title>
		<link>http://www.rashundatramble.com/2007/09/08/speaking-out-in-switzerland-a-foreign-concept/#comment-220315</link>
		<dc:creator>Rashunda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Markus - &gt; Sorry, not taking the bait.:-) But yeah, I'm a black sheep: I jaywalk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Markus - > Sorry, not taking the bait.:-) But yeah, I&#8217;m a black sheep: I jaywalk.</p>
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		<title>By: Markus</title>
		<link>http://www.rashundatramble.com/2007/09/08/speaking-out-in-switzerland-a-foreign-concept/#comment-220281</link>
		<dc:creator>Markus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rashunda, I've no idea why you support criminal foreigners in Switzerland. Are you such a black sheep yourself? I hope not!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rashunda, I&#8217;ve no idea why you support criminal foreigners in Switzerland. Are you such a black sheep yourself? I hope not!?</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://www.rashundatramble.com/2007/09/08/speaking-out-in-switzerland-a-foreign-concept/#comment-194421</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 06:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A politician or a political party is the mouthpiece of the people. There may be some who do not agree with this person or party. However, there is a silent majority that agrees to this racism. If the Swiss are so adamant about keeping them all white whya re they courting the dirty money from dictators and thugs in Africa, Asia, and Middle East. They are not whites. This seems double standard - you can keep your dirty money with us, but do not come here.

What happened to the US lawsuit against the Swiss government about keeping Hilter's gold?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A politician or a political party is the mouthpiece of the people. There may be some who do not agree with this person or party. However, there is a silent majority that agrees to this racism. If the Swiss are so adamant about keeping them all white whya re they courting the dirty money from dictators and thugs in Africa, Asia, and Middle East. They are not whites. This seems double standard - you can keep your dirty money with us, but do not come here.</p>
<p>What happened to the US lawsuit against the Swiss government about keeping Hilter&#8217;s gold?</p>
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		<title>By: Moonchild</title>
		<link>http://www.rashundatramble.com/2007/09/08/speaking-out-in-switzerland-a-foreign-concept/#comment-193963</link>
		<dc:creator>Moonchild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rashunda, this post has been brewing in the back of my mind for so long, I have to finally comment on it.  I've been contemplating and questioning some of the things you and others have said. So I'm just going to take it from the top, and I hope I don't offend along the way.

First of all, look at those stupid sheep in that picture.  Talk about not making eye contact!  Real sheep, while not actually stupid, are a fitting symbol for this image.  They stick to their own herd and dislike strangers.  I had to tend my father-in-law's sheep once when he went on vacation, and I had to go by there for a few weeks beforehand to get them used to my voice.

Now, about this train episode.  Why were you looking to others to help you?  Public transportation is about the last place to look for someone to jump up and get involved in unpleasantness.  (I couldn't even get a seat on the bus when I was pregnant.)  But there are a million things you could have said to that jerk!  How about:  "Damn!  It's a good thing you're not driving!"  Or "Well, I've never been to South Africa and I couldn't care less."  Or, "Dude, mellow out."  Or any number of other things.  
I don't understand why you were hurt by others not knowing how to act when you didn't know how to act yourself.  Relocating was a good idea--no need to give such people any energy--but I wonder what impression the other passengers had, compared to the impression they might have had if you had made a response.

The Swiss people's "reserve" has to do with space.  People are the way they are because that's how they get along together within their limited space.  They're independent and neutral, and don't get involved in others' stuff.  The landscape and climate also play a big part.  I come from Florida, where there is a flat horizon and 300 clear and sunny days a year.  In Switzerland, the fog rises up and the clouds press down, and you huddle inside your coat.  It's a case of body language influencing personality, rather than vice versa.

You wrote: "I just don’t know if having a nappy-headed Auslaender walk around with it would have a positive effect."  But you DO know that NOT walking around with it won't have ANY effect, right?

Here's an interesting link about voter turnout in Switzerland: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout#Salience

I don't agree that the Swiss aren't used to diversity.  Twenty percent of the people living here are foreign, and I think in Zurich it's 26%.  In our little Dorfli, I think it's about 10 to 15% and 10% of my daughter's kindergarten class speaks a non-European language at home.  When my daughter saw the above poster, I explained to her that her mama is a black sheep.  She wanted to know if she's a black sheep in the States, since she needs two fingerprints, a retina scan, and a note from her kindergarten teacher in order to visit her grandma there.  I said it's too bad sheep don't have more colors.  She reminded me that sheep wool can be dyed lots of colors.

I can't vote, but I do have a Swiss child.  I think that gives me much greater power.

&lt;b&gt;From Rashunda:&lt;/b&gt; My response is &lt;a href="http://www.rashundatramble.com/2007/11/04/a-response-to-moonchild/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rashunda, this post has been brewing in the back of my mind for so long, I have to finally comment on it.  I&#8217;ve been contemplating and questioning some of the things you and others have said. So I&#8217;m just going to take it from the top, and I hope I don&#8217;t offend along the way.</p>
<p>First of all, look at those stupid sheep in that picture.  Talk about not making eye contact!  Real sheep, while not actually stupid, are a fitting symbol for this image.  They stick to their own herd and dislike strangers.  I had to tend my father-in-law&#8217;s sheep once when he went on vacation, and I had to go by there for a few weeks beforehand to get them used to my voice.</p>
<p>Now, about this train episode.  Why were you looking to others to help you?  Public transportation is about the last place to look for someone to jump up and get involved in unpleasantness.  (I couldn&#8217;t even get a seat on the bus when I was pregnant.)  But there are a million things you could have said to that jerk!  How about:  &#8220;Damn!  It&#8217;s a good thing you&#8217;re not driving!&#8221;  Or &#8220;Well, I&#8217;ve never been to South Africa and I couldn&#8217;t care less.&#8221;  Or, &#8220;Dude, mellow out.&#8221;  Or any number of other things.<br />
I don&#8217;t understand why you were hurt by others not knowing how to act when you didn&#8217;t know how to act yourself.  Relocating was a good idea&#8211;no need to give such people any energy&#8211;but I wonder what impression the other passengers had, compared to the impression they might have had if you had made a response.</p>
<p>The Swiss people&#8217;s &#8220;reserve&#8221; has to do with space.  People are the way they are because that&#8217;s how they get along together within their limited space.  They&#8217;re independent and neutral, and don&#8217;t get involved in others&#8217; stuff.  The landscape and climate also play a big part.  I come from Florida, where there is a flat horizon and 300 clear and sunny days a year.  In Switzerland, the fog rises up and the clouds press down, and you huddle inside your coat.  It&#8217;s a case of body language influencing personality, rather than vice versa.</p>
<p>You wrote: &#8220;I just don’t know if having a nappy-headed Auslaender walk around with it would have a positive effect.&#8221;  But you DO know that NOT walking around with it won&#8217;t have ANY effect, right?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an interesting link about voter turnout in Switzerland: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout#Salience" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout#Salience</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree that the Swiss aren&#8217;t used to diversity.  Twenty percent of the people living here are foreign, and I think in Zurich it&#8217;s 26%.  In our little Dorfli, I think it&#8217;s about 10 to 15% and 10% of my daughter&#8217;s kindergarten class speaks a non-European language at home.  When my daughter saw the above poster, I explained to her that her mama is a black sheep.  She wanted to know if she&#8217;s a black sheep in the States, since she needs two fingerprints, a retina scan, and a note from her kindergarten teacher in order to visit her grandma there.  I said it&#8217;s too bad sheep don&#8217;t have more colors.  She reminded me that sheep wool can be dyed lots of colors.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t vote, but I do have a Swiss child.  I think that gives me much greater power.</p>
<p><b>From Rashunda:</b> My response is <a href="http://www.rashundatramble.com/2007/11/04/a-response-to-moonchild/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.rashundatramble.com/2007/09/08/speaking-out-in-switzerland-a-foreign-concept/#comment-164676</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought you'd want to check this out.  Mainstream press coverage, for what it's worth.  This was just printed in Newsweek Int'l:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20919945/site/newsweek/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought you&#8217;d want to check this out.  Mainstream press coverage, for what it&#8217;s worth.  This was just printed in Newsweek Int&#8217;l:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20919945/site/newsweek/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20919945/site/newsweek/</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Postnational Monitor</title>
		<link>http://www.rashundatramble.com/2007/09/08/speaking-out-in-switzerland-a-foreign-concept/#comment-164312</link>
		<dc:creator>The Postnational Monitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 01:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Swiss Racism and&#160;Xenophobia?&lt;/strong&gt;


There has been a lot in the news lately about Swiss Xenophobia and racism due to the largest party, a nationalist party, making provocative statements about immigrant populations.  Unlike a lot of opinages, I have actually been to Switzerland (St. Gal...</description>
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<p>There has been a lot in the news lately about Swiss Xenophobia and racism due to the largest party, a nationalist party, making provocative statements about immigrant populations.  Unlike a lot of opinages, I have actually been to Switzerland (St. Gal&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jocelyn</title>
		<link>http://www.rashundatramble.com/2007/09/08/speaking-out-in-switzerland-a-foreign-concept/#comment-154136</link>
		<dc:creator>Jocelyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@Marghretta &lt;/b&gt;

I hear ya. I remember those days when the men used to that (in the 1980's). As I continued my visits there over the years, I started noticing a difference in the late 1990's. More hostility/indifference, even from some of my husband's relatives. 

I just don't think they are used to diversity of any kind. Especially if that diversity comes in larger numbers. 

I also noticed that the blacks that are there actively seek out eye contact from you like they are hungry for connection with other people of color. I did not see that in the early 90's or 80's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@Marghretta </b></p>
<p>I hear ya. I remember those days when the men used to that (in the 1980&#8217;s). As I continued my visits there over the years, I started noticing a difference in the late 1990&#8217;s. More hostility/indifference, even from some of my husband&#8217;s relatives. </p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t think they are used to diversity of any kind. Especially if that diversity comes in larger numbers. </p>
<p>I also noticed that the blacks that are there actively seek out eye contact from you like they are hungry for connection with other people of color. I did not see that in the early 90&#8217;s or 80&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Marghretta</title>
		<link>http://www.rashundatramble.com/2007/09/08/speaking-out-in-switzerland-a-foreign-concept/#comment-153331</link>
		<dc:creator>Marghretta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 04:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a difference a few decades make! When I lived in Switzerland in the early 70s, I would literally stop traffic since so few people had ever seen a Black woman. As Jonathan and Jocelyn correctly noted,the Swiss are very insular. For centuries they lived in their little mountain paradise, assured that all was well with their alpine walls.
When I lived here, Turkish men had "Gastarbeiter" status: they had to live in dormitories; their families were not permitted to live in Switzerland, and they had to return to Turkey after a year. Many Swiss then were concerned about the growing reliance on foreign labour for menial jobs, particularly because they felt the Swiss were becoming haughty (hochmütig) and no longer valued the old simple hardworking Swiss ethos.
Fast forward to two years ago. I was horrified to learn that an old boyfriend of mine is quite friendly with Bloch and thinks the world of him. Hansueli insists that the U.S. and the European Union are trying to force their standards on the Swiss. He points to Italy as proof of what happens if a country is too kind to immigrants.  I pointed out that the Swiss seem to have no trouble with Sudanese latrine cleaners or Thai lap dancers; Hansueli feels that those jobs are proof that the jobholders should not be permanent residents. Hmmm...
I do think the Swiss are unused to being under the microscope, and a lot of the sentiment that is being expressed is a result of their inability to deal with the close scrutiny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a difference a few decades make! When I lived in Switzerland in the early 70s, I would literally stop traffic since so few people had ever seen a Black woman. As Jonathan and Jocelyn correctly noted,the Swiss are very insular. For centuries they lived in their little mountain paradise, assured that all was well with their alpine walls.<br />
When I lived here, Turkish men had &#8220;Gastarbeiter&#8221; status: they had to live in dormitories; their families were not permitted to live in Switzerland, and they had to return to Turkey after a year. Many Swiss then were concerned about the growing reliance on foreign labour for menial jobs, particularly because they felt the Swiss were becoming haughty (hochmütig) and no longer valued the old simple hardworking Swiss ethos.<br />
Fast forward to two years ago. I was horrified to learn that an old boyfriend of mine is quite friendly with Bloch and thinks the world of him. Hansueli insists that the U.S. and the European Union are trying to force their standards on the Swiss. He points to Italy as proof of what happens if a country is too kind to immigrants.  I pointed out that the Swiss seem to have no trouble with Sudanese latrine cleaners or Thai lap dancers; Hansueli feels that those jobs are proof that the jobholders should not be permanent residents. Hmmm&#8230;<br />
I do think the Swiss are unused to being under the microscope, and a lot of the sentiment that is being expressed is a result of their inability to deal with the close scrutiny.</p>
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		<title>By: Fran</title>
		<link>http://www.rashundatramble.com/2007/09/08/speaking-out-in-switzerland-a-foreign-concept/#comment-152842</link>
		<dc:creator>Fran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kaylois - don't you find your generalising comments just a bit racist towards white people..?  Just a thought...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kaylois - don&#8217;t you find your generalising comments just a bit racist towards white people..?  Just a thought&#8230;</p>
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